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PULMONARY OEDEMA, CARDIOGENIC?

Sonopath Forum

PULMONARY OEDEMA, CARDIOGENIC?

This is a 7y old Male intact SHih Tzu presented for evaluation of whether interstitial pattern in lungs can be due to pulmonary oedema of cardiogenic origin.

-History of coughing 2 months ago, was started on frusemide trial for 4 weeks. At review, much improved. Coughs when drinking. On Z-D diet hills for allergy. Now GA for dental is being considered. Need to know if heart stable.

-Exam: has allergy related skin infection, not well controlled. No obvious heart murmur. Has audible generalized crackles in both sides of lung tissue.

This is a 7y old Male intact SHih Tzu presented for evaluation of whether interstitial pattern in lungs can be due to pulmonary oedema of cardiogenic origin.

-History of coughing 2 months ago, was started on frusemide trial for 4 weeks. At review, much improved. Coughs when drinking. On Z-D diet hills for allergy. Now GA for dental is being considered. Need to know if heart stable.

-Exam: has allergy related skin infection, not well controlled. No obvious heart murmur. Has audible generalized crackles in both sides of lung tissue.

-ECHO: mitral regurgitation has a thin jet with strong posterior orientation. There is tricuspid regurgitation (appears mild). There is no hepatic vein distension. There is what appears a trivial aortic insufficiency (although it extends 1.3cm into LV, it appears thin). LA-AO appears around 1.6-1.7…and in some angles, less than that.

It does not appear to me like currently the crackles are due to LV volume overload…(crackles are fairly obvious at auscultation and yet no murmur is heard).

What is your input in this case…I have more clips…I just had to select. I hope this gives ample idea.

(I have asked referring vet to have owners monitor the SRR). i wonder if this could be an acute mitral regurgitation. 

Thanks in advance for any input.  

Comments

EL

borderline but not

borderline but not significant chf level of left sided overload…do you have rads?

randyhermandvm

What is in the L atrium in

What is in the L atrium in the attached picture from one of the cine’s?

 

 

Anonymous

Hopefully nothing:( I hadn’t
Hopefully nothing:( I hadn’t noticed. I’m posting X-rays soon.

Anonymous

Thanks Eric. That is what I

Thanks Eric. That is what I am thinking…like…it´s not enough for such level of audible crackles with not even audible murmur. So, xrays…I only have 2 screen shots that referring vet messaged me. They show a diffuse, generalized interstitial (maybe broncho-interstitial?quality is too bad) pattern. I would expect a more focal pattern in cardiogenic pulm. oedema…right? ON a different subject, tricuspid reg appears mild but significant…

I had included 2 other pics in the original post but they never loaded (tric and aortic regs).

All in all…I would say that in M-Mode (and Bmode) there is no significant Volume overload to justify starting medicines nor pulm oedema…but the xrays (from 2 months ago) are impressive (if interstitial) and yesterday crackles were still present. I think I would recommend repeating xrays…

 

EL

randy thats just side lobe

randy thats just side lobe artifact I think.

This may be one of those combo bronchial and cardiac cases as there is cardiomegaly on the rad. try an ace inhibitor and bronchodilator cough suppressant and maybe doxycycline or similar. There is a little LA enlargement so can justify ace-i in some schools of thought. Not traitional wet failure though.

Anonymous

Just a final question… That

Just a final question… That tricuspid regurgitation… Could it be related to bronchial disease? 

EL

yes for sure…. as short

yes for sure…. as short circulation pressures increase from respiratory dsease (Westies are the champs at this) the TR will increase to pulmonary hypertension (PHT) levels when at 2.8 m/sec for mild, 3.5 m/sec for moderate and > 4 m/sec for severe. I havent seen any dog have clinial signs of pht from TR levels < 3.5 m/sec though… just a personal thereshold I use in my head.

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Anonymous

Thanks, EL. That’s very

Thanks, EL. That’s very helpful. I struggle to find cut offs in a bullet point way to keep it simple. 

Is the book available in printed edition? If so, shopping to Asia is availabke?? I know there is a combo for the printed and online formats. 

EL

yes we ship everywhere just

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