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FNA Thoracic Mass

Sonopath Forum

Sonopath Forum

FNA Thoracic Mass

I was looking for some advise. I had a cat in today with Tachypnea with dry rales. I sent the X-rays to IDEXX for a radiology consult. They suggested I consider an ultrasound guided FNA of one of the nodular areas.

I have never done this before. 

I would appreciate some advise including advise on restraint.

Do you sedate or place under general anesthesia?

Any info would be helpful.

I would also like to know if I can send DICOM x-rays for Dr O’brien to read as a telemedicine consult.

I was looking for some advise. I had a cat in today with Tachypnea with dry rales. I sent the X-rays to IDEXX for a radiology consult. They suggested I consider an ultrasound guided FNA of one of the nodular areas.

I have never done this before. 

I would appreciate some advise including advise on restraint.

Do you sedate or place under general anesthesia?

Any info would be helpful.

I would also like to know if I can send DICOM x-rays for Dr O’brien to read as a telemedicine consult.

I could send .jpg’s- but I you really can’t do much with the images.

 

Thanks

 

 

 

Comments

rlobetti
May 13, 2015 at 10:18 am -

Sedation vs anesthesia very

Sedation vs anesthesia very dependant on the patient. In calm/relaxed animals there is often no need for sedation and easily done under US guidance. FNA done the same way as you would aspirate an abominal mass/liver/etc. Looking at the radiographs, seems that you would be able to visualize the mass in the right caudal lung field with US.

rlobetti
May 13, 2015 at 10:18 am -

Sedation vs anesthesia very

Sedation vs anesthesia very dependant on the patient. In calm/relaxed animals there is often no need for sedation and easily done under US guidance. FNA done the same way as you would aspirate an abominal mass/liver/etc. Looking at the radiographs, seems that you would be able to visualize the mass in the right caudal lung field with US.

EL
May 13, 2015 at 3:50 pm -

Randy take a look at the

Randy take a look at the arrows to approach the lesions closest to the body wall. Have a tech compress the lung under sedation like this technique in resources: http://sonopath.com/resources/interventional-procedures/lindquist-compression

and look for consolidations similar to what is present in this case in the archive: http://sonopath.com/members/case-studies/cases/pulmonary-carcinoma-diagnosed-lung-fna-12-year-old-fs-kerry-blue-terrier

measure out well how far you need to put the needle into the consolidated lung so you don’t end up doing a CVC or cardiac blood sample 🙂 but you should be fine away form anything dangerous given the caudal aspect of the lung lesions.

EL
May 13, 2015 at 3:50 pm -

Randy take a look at the

Randy take a look at the arrows to approach the lesions closest to the body wall. Have a tech compress the lung under sedation like this technique in resources: http://sonopath.com/resources/interventional-procedures/lindquist-compression

and look for consolidations similar to what is present in this case in the archive: http://sonopath.com/members/case-studies/cases/pulmonary-carcinoma-diagnosed-lung-fna-12-year-old-fs-kerry-blue-terrier

measure out well how far you need to put the needle into the consolidated lung so you don’t end up doing a CVC or cardiac blood sample 🙂 but you should be fine away form anything dangerous given the caudal aspect of the lung lesions.

randyhermandvm
May 13, 2015 at 4:12 pm -

Thank you EL. The last

Thank you EL. The last suggestion cleared things up for me. I will let you know how this

turns out.

randyhermandvm
May 13, 2015 at 4:12 pm -

Thank you EL. The last

Thank you EL. The last suggestion cleared things up for me. I will let you know how this

turns out.

randyhermandvm
May 26, 2015 at 6:56 pm -

Shortly after I posted the

Shortly after I posted the x-rays I brought Takota back in for a FNA of the lungs. I must admit I never could identify a solid mass therefore cytology was not submitted- although I did do an aspirate where I felt there was pathology. Nothing worth sending in.I started Takota on Prednisone and a shot of convenia. He is doing a bit better. RRR is in the mid to high 20’s/minute- but he is still wheezing.

I did offer the owners a referral to an internal medicicine specialist- but they said they would not go that far.

Here are the follow up x-rays one week later. 

I see some improvement- but I still think neoplasia is a possiblity here. 

Any possiblity this could be chornic airway disease with fibrosis and calcification. Almost hoping for something similar to COPD.

Hey Dr O’brien- if you ever check in I would also value your imput.

 

Thanks

 

 

randyhermandvm
May 26, 2015 at 6:56 pm -

Shortly after I posted the

Shortly after I posted the x-rays I brought Takota back in for a FNA of the lungs. I must admit I never could identify a solid mass therefore cytology was not submitted- although I did do an aspirate where I felt there was pathology. Nothing worth sending in.I started Takota on Prednisone and a shot of convenia. He is doing a bit better. RRR is in the mid to high 20’s/minute- but he is still wheezing.

I did offer the owners a referral to an internal medicicine specialist- but they said they would not go that far.

Here are the follow up x-rays one week later. 

I see some improvement- but I still think neoplasia is a possiblity here. 

Any possiblity this could be chornic airway disease with fibrosis and calcification. Almost hoping for something similar to COPD.

Hey Dr O’brien- if you ever check in I would also value your imput.

 

Thanks

 

 

EL
May 26, 2015 at 7:39 pm -

Neoplasia typically doesnt

Neoplasia typically doesnt get better in a week but that event doesnt rule it out. Unfortunately now the right caudal lesion is tougher to stick because its resolving. Its a tough first stick if you haven’t done lung fna in the past. The key is to count the ribs, left side recumbency after sedation and look for the consolidation compressing the lung with your scanning hand til you get a window to the non aerated consolidation. Look at my instruction on lung compression technique.

https://sonopath.com/resources/interventional-procedures/lindquist-compression

Here are some applicable cases:

http://sonopath.com/members/case-studies/search?text=lung+mass+fna&species=All

EL
May 26, 2015 at 7:39 pm -

Neoplasia typically doesnt

Neoplasia typically doesnt get better in a week but that event doesnt rule it out. Unfortunately now the right caudal lesion is tougher to stick because its resolving. Its a tough first stick if you haven’t done lung fna in the past. The key is to count the ribs, left side recumbency after sedation and look for the consolidation compressing the lung with your scanning hand til you get a window to the non aerated consolidation. Look at my instruction on lung compression technique.

https://sonopath.com/resources/interventional-procedures/lindquist-compression

Here are some applicable cases:

http://sonopath.com/members/case-studies/search?text=lung+mass+fna&species=All

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