Hi all,
Where does everybody gets their reference values for M-mode measurements for LV,LA, Ao? and doppler ones? and if anyone uses the reference values based in specific dog’s breeds? I use the reference values given to me in a course from J.Boon, where they are based on dog’s weight. Any other resources?
Thanks
Hi all,
Where does everybody gets their reference values for M-mode measurements for LV,LA, Ao? and doppler ones? and if anyone uses the reference values based in specific dog’s breeds? I use the reference values given to me in a course from J.Boon, where they are based on dog’s weight. Any other resources?
Thanks
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We use June Boon as well here
We use June Boon as well here in my NJ group
June Boon,Veterinary Echocardiography,1998
We use June Boon as well here
We use June Boon as well here in my NJ group
June Boon,Veterinary Echocardiography,1998
Hi!
In the normal dog (no
Hi!
In the normal dog (no racing breeds, no doberman) the following general rule works quite well: THe left venticular enddiastolic diameter should be 3.5-4.5 times the free wall. Then, concentric (pressure overload) and eccentric (volume overload) hypertrophy are unlikely. The reference values provided by Cornell (2003, JVIM) work pretty well. I use breed specific values for specific questions (e.g. Dobermann occult cardiomyopathy, breeding e3xams etc.)
Peter
Hi!
In the normal dog (no
Hi!
In the normal dog (no racing breeds, no doberman) the following general rule works quite well: THe left venticular enddiastolic diameter should be 3.5-4.5 times the free wall. Then, concentric (pressure overload) and eccentric (volume overload) hypertrophy are unlikely. The reference values provided by Cornell (2003, JVIM) work pretty well. I use breed specific values for specific questions (e.g. Dobermann occult cardiomyopathy, breeding e3xams etc.)
Peter
I hadnt heard that ratio
I hadnt heard that ratio Peter but sure fits and makes sense and sure beats trying to remember body weight variables. Do they use that rule in the states as I may have missed it somewhere in the literature or is it a European thing??
You Austrians are so smart:)
I hadnt heard that ratio
I hadnt heard that ratio Peter but sure fits and makes sense and sure beats trying to remember body weight variables. Do they use that rule in the states as I may have missed it somewhere in the literature or is it a European thing??
You Austrians are so smart:)
Great information Peter,
Will check that article for sure 
Great information Peter, THANKS a lot! I have never heard of the ratio but I ‘ll start using it as a reference
@Peter
Great information Peter,
Will check that article for sure 
Great information Peter, THANKS a lot! I have never heard of the ratio but I ‘ll start using it as a reference
@Peter
Hi!
this is my personal
Hi!
this is my personal rule and not tought by anybody else. but it works fine in clinical practice. Remember, that the weighth dependent values are also only calculated by regression analysis. Of course, if you examine a racing dog or do a breeding exam I would use breed specific references. But in the clinical case my rule generally works. That means if the values are within that range the patient is unliekly to have a clinical problem. If somebody not yet that much trained in echos it´s – in my opnion – more practical to work with such benchmarks than to treat a dog because it´s M-Modes are 2 milimeters outside the J-Boon ranges.
It´s not published ´I just want to share practical experience.
But please don´t write my rule down in a report
Peter
Hi!
this is my personal
Hi!
this is my personal rule and not tought by anybody else. but it works fine in clinical practice. Remember, that the weighth dependent values are also only calculated by regression analysis. Of course, if you examine a racing dog or do a breeding exam I would use breed specific references. But in the clinical case my rule generally works. That means if the values are within that range the patient is unliekly to have a clinical problem. If somebody not yet that much trained in echos it´s – in my opnion – more practical to work with such benchmarks than to treat a dog because it´s M-Modes are 2 milimeters outside the J-Boon ranges.
It´s not published ´I just want to share practical experience.
But please don´t write my rule down in a report
Peter
Hola Veronica!!
I use an
Hola Veronica!!
I use an Iphone app called CardioVet, by Charlotte Renard.
Very useful for reference values as well as main features of different pathologies.
It has Doppler values also.
Cheers from Melbourne
Silvana
Hola Veronica!!
I use an
Hola Veronica!!
I use an Iphone app called CardioVet, by Charlotte Renard.
Very useful for reference values as well as main features of different pathologies.
It has Doppler values also.
Cheers from Melbourne
Silvana
Hola Silvana, Ages withouth
Hola Silvana, Ages withouth hearing from you, Hope all is going well
Thanks for your post
Hope all your family is doing very well
Thanks Mate!
Veronica
@SCultrasounds
Hola Silvana, Ages withouth
Hola Silvana, Ages withouth hearing from you, Hope all is going well
Thanks for your post
Hope all your family is doing very well
Thanks Mate!
Veronica
@SCultrasounds